52 minutes ago, texerson said:

Would a guy like Joe Golding be ready for the Texas job?

Isn't that kind of like hiring RT?

Golding has one thing on his resume that Terry doesn't, and that is building a program from D II and getting it into the tournament 2 of 3 years, maybe 3 straight were it not for the 2020 tournament being canceled, but I don't think it was getting past SFA in 2020.  He did quite the excellent job at ACU.

However, Golding's biggest drawback has been the zero improvement in the UTEP program over a four year period.  At 49 years old and having made no progress with a mid-major nowhere for 4 years, he should be miles behind Wade, Murray, McCollum, Pitino, and even Olen and Odom, as a candidate to move up from the mid-majors or an assistant's job this spring. 

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48 minutes ago, bierce said:

Golding has one thing on his resume that Terry doesn't, and that is building a program from D II and getting it into the tournament 2 of 3 years, maybe 3 straight were it not for the 2020 tournament being canceled, but I don't think it was getting past SFA in 2020.  He did quite the excellent job at ACU.

However, Golding's biggest drawback has been the zero improvement in the UTEP program over a four year period.  At 49 years old and having made no progress with a mid-major nowhere for 4 years, he should be miles behind Wade, Murray, McCollum, Pitino, and even Olen and Odom, as a candidate to move up from the mid-majors or an assistant's job this spring. 

Golding is sub .500 in conference at UTEP and barely above .500 at ACU(.511)

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3 hours ago, Gerry Hamilton said:

Some notes ...

Jai Lucas is a done deal to Miami. Will be announced in time ... will he take Shelton Henderson with him? Very likely. What about the Boozer twins deciding to stay home? We shall see. And which former HC will be his associate HC? Someone will be

Beard doing everything he can to try and get Indiana. Still hearing Scott Drew is ahead. 

I expect to keep hearing Quin Snyder associated with Texas rumors, or when the job comes open. He loves Austin, house a house in Austin, etc... but that doesn't mean he would leave 8mill a year in the NBA. 

Snyder would be an outta this world home run hire. That would represent a commitment to hoops Texas has never made.

1 minute ago, tylerlindsey2111 said:

Snyder would be an outta this world home run hire. That would represent a commitment to hoops Texas has never made.

A near 60 year old that hasn't coached college in nearly 20 years.....

2 minutes ago, Hashtag said:

A near 60 year old that hasn't coached college in nearly 20 years.....

Okay, you are right. Imbecile, not worthy or deserving.

1 minute ago, tylerlindsey2111 said:

Okay, you are right. Imbecile, not worthy or deserving.

Are those not things to consider when paying premium dollar for your next HC? If we're going to be on message boards discussing pros and cons of every candidate as you have done as well those two things are definitely worth noting. 

21 minutes ago, Hashtag said:

Are those not things to consider when paying premium dollar for your next HC? If we're going to be on message boards discussing pros and cons of every candidate as you have done as well those two things are definitely worth noting. 

How many guys bring up Billy Donovan, like he's going to come back to college when the basketball world knows he hates recruiting and wants to be in the NBA? (Answer: Too many.)

Anyone who is thinking about coming back to college, regardless of his situation, after a decade as a HC in the NBA, has experience that most candidates don't.

Dude is considered an elite x&o guy at all levels of basketball, has the NBA credibility that allows him to sell himself to elite player (which we need desperately in this era, along with NIL), has cache among possible assistants to get the guys doing a lot of the day to day, and will coach for 8-10 years. I don't think you could ask for much more.

 

I think less than 3% chance he would leave the NBA.

1 hour ago, bierce said:

Golding has one thing on his resume that Terry doesn't, and that is building a program from D II and getting it into the tournament 2 of 3 years, maybe 3 straight were it not for the 2020 tournament being canceled, but I don't think it was getting past SFA in 2020.  He did quite the excellent job at ACU.

However, Golding's biggest drawback has been the zero improvement in the UTEP program over a four year period.  At 49 years old and having made no progress with a mid-major nowhere for 4 years, he should be miles behind Wade, Murray, McCollum, Pitino, and even Olen and Odom, as a candidate to move up from the mid-majors or an assistant's job this spring. 

Don Haskins made UTEP into a pretty good job, and it withstood quite a bit of time, but now is not that time.

4 hours ago, Gerry Hamilton said:

Some notes ...

Jai Lucas is a done deal to Miami. Will be announced in time ... will he take Shelton Henderson with him? Very likely. What about the Boozer twins deciding to stay home? We shall see. And which former HC will be his associate HC? Someone will be

Beard doing everything he can to try and get Indiana. Still hearing Scott Drew is ahead. 

I expect to keep hearing Quin Snyder associated with Texas rumors, or when the job comes open. He loves Austin, house a house in Austin, etc... but that doesn't mean he would leave 8mill a year in the NBA. 

Totally forgot about Jai recruiting Henderson. It won affect Duke too much though. Good for Jai. If it’s Beard versus Drew that’s a not brainer. Getting Drew to leave is the hard part. So we got Sean Miller, Quinn Snyder and Royal Ivey. Why would Quinn take a pay cut? Austin is beautiful, but three million less beautiful?

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9 minutes ago, BobInHouston said:

How many guys bring up Billy Donovan, like he's going to come back to college when the basketball world knows he hates recruiting and wants to be in the NBA? (Answer: Too many.)

Anyone who is thinking about coming back to college, regardless of his situation, after a decade as a HC in the NBA, has experience that most candidates don't.

 

 

 

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So lets not act like the people calling for Billy Donovan are so out of touch but calling for Snyder is some "expert X and O" basketball purest. It's night and day difference with Donovan being out of college for ~10 years vs a guy ~20 years removed from the college game when you throw in their performance in college.  

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3 minutes ago, Hashtag said:

 

 

 

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So lets not act like the people calling for Billy Donovan are so out of touch but calling for Snyder is some "expert X and O" basketball purest. It's night and day difference with Donovan being out of college for ~10 years vs a guy ~20 years removed from the college game when you throw in their performance in college.  

If I were arguing against Donovan being a candidate, you might have a point, but I didn't argue that.

I said that Donovan won't come back, but people still ask for him. Snyder went pro after a rocky finish at MU. If that were the only thing on his resume, I would question that. But, if a successful NBA HC (which QS is) is interested in your college job, you have to give him a serious look, not wishcast about a guy who is not going to be interested.

5 minutes ago, BobInHouston said:

If I were arguing against Donovan being a candidate, you might have a point, but I didn't argue that.

I said that Donovan won't come back, but people still ask for him. Snyder went pro after a rocky finish at MU. If that were the only thing on his resume, I would question that. But, if a successful NBA HC (which QS is) is interested in your college job, you have to give him a serious look, not wishcast about a guy who is not going to be interested.

Certain names will always be mentioned by fans such as Jay Wright, Akina(for years in football, Urban Meyer in football etc. when you’ve had the success those 3 have had your name comes up. Quin is nothing special in college and nothing special in the pros. 

7 minutes ago, Hashtag said:

Certain names will always be mentioned by fans such as Jay Wright, Akina(for years in football, Urban Meyer in football etc. when you’ve had the success those 3 have had your name comes up. Quin is nothing special in college and nothing special in the pros. 

How good do you have to be to be more than "nothing special in the pros"?

2 minutes ago, BobInHouston said:

How good do you have to be to be more than "nothing special in the pros"?

Brad F'n Stevens! 

10 minutes ago, Hashtag said:

Brad F'n Stevens! 

Who has the higher winning percentage between them?

4 minutes ago, BobInHouston said:

Who has the higher winning percentage between them?

 

 

Stevens performed better in post season while being 2 games below .500 while Snyder is 10 games below 500.  Similar enough regular seasons. 

So he's actually better than you thought, huh?

5 minutes ago, BobInHouston said:

So he's actually better than you thought, huh?

Not really. And he’s still been out of college for nearly 20 years so no thank you on the near 60 year old.  Stevens like Donovan was a superior college coach to Snyder. 

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6 minutes ago, Hashtag said:

Not really. And he’s still been out of college for nearly 20 years so no thank you on the near 60 year old.  Stevens like Donovan was a superior college coach to Snyder. 

Whatever you do, don't let the facts get in your way.

Facts are that would be a terrible hire for Texas. 

I'm not keen on adding a 60 year old who has been away from the college game but 20 years, but there are only 20 coaches in NBA history with more wins and a higher winning percentage than Snyder, factoring games as of last night.  Hard to call that nothing special.